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Cancel Reduce Scenarios w/ FIX 4.1
johna@ms.com
26 Feb 1998 3:38PM ET

Andrew Schorr has sent me his proposed state transition
matrix to illustrate how he'd like to handle a Partial Cancel(reduce) with a counterparty following CMS-style
partial cancel conventions. I have included a segment below.
I am also presenting how I think
one could handle the same situation with the FIX 4.1 conventions as they stand in the draft.

The scenario is a new order for 10K which is reduced to 8K
then partially executed for 5K, followed by a limit price
change, followed by a complete fill.

A. following CMS conventions:
=========================================
                Dir ClOrdID OrigClOrdID OrderQty LeavesQty
New Order => X N/A 10K N/A
Accept <= X N/A 10K N/A
Cxl/Reduce(qty) => Y X 8K N/A
Part'lyCxld <= Y X 8K 8K
Exec for 5K <= X(NOT Y!) 8K 3K
Cxl/Rpl(price) => Z X(NOT Y!) 8K N/A
Replaced <= Z X 8K 3K
Exec for 3K <= Z 8K 0

B. following FIX 4.1 conventions,
using Sell side OrderID field(or SecondaryOrderID) to
respresent exchange's order id(CMS branch/seq)
quantities are not displayed due to lack of space
but they are no different than the example above:
======================================================
                Dir ClOrdID OrigClOrdID OrderID(exch's id)
New Order => X N/A N/A
Accept <= X N/A X
Cxl/Rpl(qty) => Y X X
Replaced(qty) <= Y X X
Exec for 5K <= Y(Not X!) X
Cxl/Rpl(price) => Z Y X
Replaced <= Z Y(Not X!) Z
Exec for 3K <= Z Z

I won't repeat Andrew's eloquent explanation for his
approach, I'll only rebut them.

1. NYSE rules do vary from partial reduction rules
for exchanges in other countries(in the details like mixed
to round lot and vice-versa, also depending on instructions changes, etc). Several exchanges from other countries are actively
pursuing FIX interfaces and as we cannot make allowances for
each one, we need to define one consistent way of doing things as well as define how another convention can map to the FIX convention. This latter point, Andrew appropriately
points out has not been done to date; which is the
motivation for this whole effort.

2. When(if) the NYSE implements FIX, brokers/members should not
have to worry about requesting a partial cancel to maintain
the position, the NYSE should
do that work for us and tell us if we lost our position or not. If they just provide a FIX interface with all CMS conventions(add ambiguous exec price corrections,
lack of ExecID, AvgPx and CumQty fields), I for one am not
in favor of the huge effort required just to change the message format and session layer.

3. We shouldn't assume there is a one-to-one mapping of
our order id to our counterparty's order id. Some people
chain internal id's, some don't and FIX is flexible enough (with the loose OrderID requirement)to handle these
possible relationships.

John Armstrong
johna@ms.com


Order Cancel Request
Ryan Pierce / Townsend Analytics Ltd. / Archipelago LLC   30 Jan 1998 12:44PM ET
re: Order Cancel Request
Scott Atwell / American Century   30 Jan 1998 7:24PM ET
re: Order Cancel Request
Andrew Schorr   5 Feb 1998 2:10PM ET
re: Order Cancel Request
John Armstrong   6 Feb 1998 7:45AM ET
re: Order Cancel Request
Andrew Schorr   6 Feb 1998 10:11AM ET
re: Order Cancel Request
Vitaliy Kantor   6 Feb 1998 1:26PM ET
re: Order Cancel Request
Andrew Schorr   6 Feb 1998 1:56PM ET
re: Order Cancel Request
John Armstrong   6 Feb 1998 2:25PM ET
re: Order Cancel Request
Andrew Schorr   6 Feb 1998 2:57PM ET
re: Order Cancel Request
Jem Day - BGI   6 Feb 1998 3:16PM ET
re: Order Cancel Request
Andrew Schorr   24 Feb 1998 10:40AM ET
re: Order Cancel Request
daconner@pwj.com   24 Feb 1998 3:07PM ET
re: Order Cancel Request
Vitaliy Kantor   24 Feb 1998 3:48PM ET
re: Order Cancel Request
Anonymous   24 Feb 1998 4:06PM ET
re: Order Cancel Request
Ed Colletta   25 Feb 1998 2:12PM ET
re: Order Cancel Request
Ryan Pierce / Townsend Analytics Ltd. / Archipelago LLC   24 Feb 1998 5:03PM ET
re: Order Cancel Request
John Armstrong   24 Feb 1998 7:21PM ET
re: Order Cancel Request
daconner@pwj.com   24 Feb 1998 3:08PM ET
re: Order Cancel Request
Jem.Day@bglobal.com   24 Feb 1998 3:36PM ET
re: Order Cancel Request
jdamon@capis.com   24 Feb 1998 5:56PM ET
Cancel Reduce Scenarios w/ FIX 4.1
johna@ms.com   26 Feb 1998 3:38PM ET
re: Order Cancel Request
Chris Morstatt   2 Mar 1998 9:05AM ET
re: Order Cancel Request
Andrew Schorr   25 Feb 1998 10:13AM ET
re: Order Cancel Request
johna@ms.com   25 Feb 1998 10:43AM ET
re: Order Cancel Request
Andrew Schorr   26 Feb 1998 9:20AM ET
Cancel Reduce Scenarios w/ FIX 4.1
johna@ms.com   26 Feb 1998 6:56PM ET